Another Response to "The Uninformed Strike Back"

By Goten10189

First off, this is not going to be hate mail. It may be disagreeing mail and may piss some people off, but I like to encourage healthy debate.

There is nothing more annoying than people who look down on DBZ fans. They call us "dubbies" or the "uninformed". Shall I break this down even further?

A) Dubbies- These are the people who have only seen the dubbed episodes of DBZ and know nothing of future episodes or what happens next in the story. This is a bad thing? I'm sorry, but my idea of enjoying DBZ is not watching bad fansubs with C+ quality. I admit, the only episodes of DBZ that I have seen is everything Cartoon Network has put out, a few episodes of the Android Saga, a few episodes of the Majin Buu Saga and Movies 7, 8, 9, and 11. Any every episode I watched I utterly hated. The people were blurry and the dialouge sounded like total crap. Granted, there probably are better tapes, but I don't feel like paying money for something I know will be dubbed soon. Thats like asking me to rent a movie that will be on HBO in two weeks.

"We know nothing of future episodes or what happens next in the story." Yeah. So? Do you buy a book, read the first few chapters then go straight to the end? Patience is a very magical thing. Nothing ruins a good story by already knowing how it ends. Hypothetical scenario- Two people are watching DBZ, Freiza Saga. One person knows that Goku will continue, Krillin dies and Goku reaches Super Saiyan (Or Saiya-Jin for you other people). The other person is a "dubbie" and knows nothing of what happens next. Frieza has taken the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb) and survived. Who will enjoy the next few episodes the most? The answer will be the "dubbie", simply because you are on an emotional rollercoaster. You see Freiza still alive and your heart races and you wonder "Oh man...Goku threw his best shot and Freiza took it!". It builds suspense to unbelievable levels. When you see Krillin die, your heart drops fifty miles because you know that Goku might be next. Suddenly he goes ape sh*t nuts, turns golden and becomes a Super Saiya-Jin!!! He proceeds to thrash Freiza and all is right with the world. However, the other person knows that Goku will turn Super Saiya-Jin before Goku EVEN LEAVES EARTH. Where is the fun in that?! No suspense, no hype, no excitement. It kills the joy. Hell, you can even argue the same thing about if Goku gets off Planet Namek. You know he survives, but how?! HOW?! If you are the "dubbie" you spend days in eager anticipation of
discovering the truth. Mr. Know-It-All simply rattles off the answer with no joy and probably goes to his tape collection to watch it in Super Bad Quality (SBQ).

Try an argument like this if you want to see my point- Someone talks about how powerful the Kaioken attack is. They say nothing can surpass its power. You quickly inform the person of SSJ. Of course, since they haven't seen the Freiza Saga, they know nothing of SSJ. You immidiately dub the person a moron. Think of this- When DBZ first debuted (I have no idea when...) Japanese kids watched Vegeta vs. Goku for the first time. Goku powers up Kaioken and trashes Vegeta. This was BEFORE Freiza Saga appeared on any t.v. They would immidiately think, "Wow, Kaioken is the strongest thing ever!" And this would be true because they didn't know about SSJ yet. Nobody did. So for a span of months, every person that watched DBZ on its first run absolutely KNEW that nothing was more powerful than Kaioken. Suddenly, they see SSJ. Now every person that watched DBZ on its first run absolutely KNEW that nothing was more powerful than SSJ. Then Gohan becomes extremely pissed and hit SSJ 2. NOW every person that watched DBZ on its first run absolutely KNEW nothing was more powerful than SSJ 2. You can repeat this little game for SSJ 3 and SSJ 4. Hopefully you see my point by now.

the Japanese kids don't need to be surprised by the Eps. they have manga! (comics)
they go from the DB series to DBZ series and were made years before the first episode of Dragonball

B) The Uninformed- Now I can't stand up for the people who get things or people wrong, because if they went through the trouble of bringing it up, then they should go through the trouble of getting it right. Like momma used to say, "If you gonna do something right, do it right the first time." However, don't instantly condemn these people. If they got it right, big deal. Correct them and move on. If we educate, then more people can be enlightened. No one is perfect. And I know these people because I used to be just like them. I mean, you see a pic of Goten and you might instantly think its Gohan if you didn't know any better. Or even if you did know any better. I have a pic of Goku standing behind a child that has gone SSJ, and I can't tell if its Gohan or Goten! Once, I saw a pic of Vegeta and Miari Trunks in SSJ form. I couldn't tell them apart! They were both wearing
armor! They both had golden spiked hair. I literally couldn't tell them apart! So if someone does say the wrong thing, don't look down on them. Take it easy. Also keep it mind- Maybe they can't get fansub DBZ. Maybe they don't have the money to or can't find a reliable dealer. Chew on that.

Allright........allright....they don't need Fansubs, they have manga, Info Sites, and DBZ vets.....

This also brings me to the discussion "FUNimation slaughtered DBZ those evil Nazi homophobic bastards/bitches" (See, i'm into equality). I love this discussion because there is so much to cry about!


1) "The voices are horrible" How do you figure that? Its not the end of the world. I loved Brian Drummond's (Vegeta's) voice from Season 1 & 2. People cried over the Internet, "That voice is horrible! That sounds nothing like Vegeta! He sounds like a wuss!" The voice was not horrible. And of course he sounds nothing like Vegeta...maybe its because HE DIDN'T DO
THE ORIGINAL VOICE. And on my personal opinion, he did not sound like a wuss. But thats my opinion. For some reason, Goku's voice changed about 50 times during the seasons... Muten Roshi had a great voice for an old guy. I don't agree with the Season 3 "Colonel Sanders" voice. But I have no power or control so too bad.

Yeah Mutenroshi sounds like the KFC guy!


2) "They edit out violence/words/names/sayings etc." Of course they edit out violence. This is America. I know that doesn't make much sense, but censors have more power than anything. And some parents (foolishly) believe that animated violence is much worse than simulated violence. But the American culture is MUCH more different from Japanese culture and we have to
respect that. Hell, BRITISH culture is much more different than American. In Japan, you can watch King Of The Deathmatch Wrestling Tournament on primetime tv. In Britain, frontal nudity of women is perfectly normal. We just have to accept that.

Censorship sucks! why are you supporting it?

The names are changed to protect the innocent... :) The names are changed and everyone pops a gasket. So what if he went from Rikium to Recoome? Taurus to Turles? Son Goku to Goku? BIG DEAL.

yes but these names are compleatly retarded and americanized

3) "I HATE THE NEW OPENING THEME SONG!!!" Never before have I heard so many people complain about an opening theme. I personally love "Rock The Dragon". I love it 50 times more than "Head-Cha-La" or "We Got Power". It
has a cool opening riff and the guitar solos rule. When I watch "Head-Cha-La", I feel as if I am watching a TRUE 8-year old's cartoon. "We Got Power" is good too. "Rock The Dragon" has 7 words. Big deal. That is not a bad thing. American people have very short attention spans. We go crazy over catchphrases and fads. A theme song like "Head-Cha-La" or "We
Got Power" would not go over well because its too long. On a side note, I like the opening theme for Rurouni Kenshin (and yes, I DO KNOW that it changes later in the series, but since I haven't heard the others, I can't really dispute this love).

Ok, first of all if you're saying Head cha-la is stupid you are sayin' Dragonball is stupid! Akira Toriama made both......I don't get what you're saying by that this is made for an 8-year-old's show.........Rock the Dragon is compleatly RETARDED! it not only sounds like it was made for a 9 year old's show but it also sound like it was made by one. Chala and Zenkai power may not make sense to you but to the Japanese it's cool because they understand the song, now I only like this song cause it sounds great and has a kick ass beat. So don't judge a song untill you understand it

(I don't understand it so dont ask me!)


It seems as if I am now the new spokesperson of the uninformed. In fact, I
don't know somethings about DBZ/DBGT that maybe you "holier than thou
dubbies" people can help me out with!

1) If Radditz was ever brought back (why is that?) and he trained hard
enough, if he went SSJ, would he automatically go SSJ 3 because of his hair
length? Would his hair grow incredibly short? If not and he only went SSJ,
then if he went SSJ 2, would his hair grow even longer than Goku's at SSJ 3?
C'mon...

Nobody likes Raditz he's just their to be a filler for the saiya-jin saga eps. why would you wish him back? to kill him again?

2) Allright, what the hell is Vegeta saying? "I'll just use my (insert name
here) and blow the whole thing up!" Is it Gallet, Gallick, Galaxy,
Garlic...what the hell is the name of his Gun?!

Garlic Gun

3) On a similar note, why can't anyone agree on a universal name for
somebody? Goku/Gokuu/Gokuh? Vegeta/Vegita/Bejeeta? Brolly/Broili/Buroli?
Freeza/Freiza/Freezer? Saiya-Jin/Saiyan? Radditz/Raditz? The only way I
know how to resolve this is by using the FUNimation names because they are
the only ones that remain consistent. That would mean Goku would stay Goku
(not Gokuh or Gokuu), Vegeta would be Vegeta (Not Vegita or Bejeeta), and
Freiza would remain Freiza (Not Freeza or Freezer). This all came about
because of fansubs, so its best to stay with the people who make the show
(FUNimation and Saban).

Cause life sucks

4) Why is it when everyone makes a list of Saiya-Jins that survived the
Planet Vegeta's destruction no one includes Turles (Taurus)? We always hear
Goku, Vegeta, Nappa, Radditz, Brolly and Paragus survive, but never Taurus?
Also, are Goku and Turles related? Tree Of Might does not give a very good
explaination. "We are both lower class soldiers." I'm also a college
student, but I don't look like the person that sits beside me in Physics.
The similarity has to be twins. Is it? Clone maybe? Just don't say
coincidence!

Why would they clone Gokou, to the saiya jin he's a low class fighter, they would have cloned Vejiita though

5) Vegeta goes Super Saiya-Jin, but doesn't have a pure heart. He once
said, "Its pure...PURE EVIL!" Does that apply? Does the person have to be
pure good? Can they be pure evil and go SSJ? ARGH!

ummm...why do you ask these questions without answers?

6) Why doesn't Raditz get the accolades he deserves? He is a person in DBZ
that beat the living hell out of BOTH Piccolo and Goku, then ends up
(inadvertantly) killing Goku! Freiza couldn't kill Goku. Cell kills Goku,
but only because Goku wants it that way (And I still believe he could have
teleported out of there in time) and Gohan has to save Goku's bacon...again!
I mean, can he get a little bit more respect? He is called a weakling and
a coward. Not so. He took on Piccolo and Goku head on and almost won if
Gohan hadn't saved them.

Nobody likes Raditz! so shut up!

7) Why wasn't Raditz ever wished back to life? I'm sure if Vegeta could
reform than Raditz could too. Also, why does Raditz lie to Goku by saying
Planet Vegeta was hit by a comet, rather than say Freiza blew it up? He
knew about it- Vegeta told him and Nappa!
Again......Why would you want to wish back raditz? he SUCKS!

8) Why couldn't Shen Lon destroy the Saiyans? Don't tell me he can't grant
a wish that exceeds Kami's power! If he can bring people back from the
dead, he should be able to bump somebody off.

......that is true

9) Are people on DBZ as stupid as they really seem? Did NOBODY have the
idea to take Dende back to Freiza's ship to heal Goku so that the battle
might have went differently? He would have still gone SSJ (If he didn't
kill Freiza before Freiza hit Form 4) and Krillin got bumped off.

I know and why did Vejiita act so friggin' surprised when Dodoria told him that the planet was destroyed by Freezer? in the later eps. He's telling Nappa and Raditz that Freezer blew it up!! did he forget or something?, man Funimation is Clumsy as hell!

10) Okay, how in God's name (Or should I say Kami's name?) does Goku and
Vegeta keep their hair standing? Goku trains in 100 TIMES EARTH'S NORMAL
GRAVITY and his hair stays up. He stays submerged in water of nearly an
hour and it still stands up! Vegeta trains in 300 TIMES EARTH'S NORMAL
GRAVITY and his hair still stays straight! What the hell?!

Hey they're not human they're Saiya-jin.....it's all cause of Akiras sick and twisted mind!!!!! (j/k)

11) Does it bother anybody that Vegeta and Bulma never get married? They
have a kid and Miari Trunks says, "They never got married...I don't think
mom liked that idea." Did they end up getting married?!

Uhhh......I think

12) Does SSJ 4 even qualify as Super Saiya-Jin? The hair doesn't turn gold,
their get evil eyes, a tail pops out and they grow red fur! They also
become insanely powerful. So...is SSJ 1-3 really Super Saiya-Jin or is SSJ
4 not? Does SSJ 4 make you a legendary Super Saiya-Jin?

I guess not GT sucks anyways so don't worry about it!

13) What the hell is up with Ultra Super Saiya-Jin? This is supposedly a
form between SSJ and SSJ 2 that only Miari Trunks and Brolly achieve.
Wouldn't it stand to reason since it is a new form that it should be
classified as SSJ 2, bringing the count of SSJ forms to 5? And its a form
that increases your power but decreases your speed...whatever. I didn't see
Brolly's speed decrease when he was beating the hell out of every DBZ
character.

Well Vejiita Actualy also reached USSJ, and ever think that the DBZ senshi is too slow to beat the crap outa brolly? he's indestructable! he's never was defeated!.....he became too powerful too fast, he exploded from so much power, oh yeah and if you don't like it, complain to Akira Toriama not to ToT

14) You always hear of Gotenks going SSJ then SSJ 3. Does he hit SSJ 2?
Why does he get to skip it?!

he's so strong when he became gotenks he was strong enough to go SSJ3, if he wanted he could have gone to SSJ2 but it's the same with Son gokuh too when he was fighting buu, he went from SJ to SSJ3


15) Could we come up with a longer name for Cell? Ultra Perfect Cell
doesn't seem good enough.

and you tell us to not complain, if Cell is too short for you then perhaps you'll like to know that his spanish name is "CELLULA"

16) Why doesn't Gohan turn SSJ when he is Super Saiyaman? It would be a lot
easier to conceal his identity with a new hair color and new eye color.
When he fights the giant demon creature he shoots at it, but not as SSJ!
WHY?!

I dunno ask Toriama

17) Gohan is rumored to be the most powerful person in DBZ..that lasts until
he hits SSJ 2. Why? This is the kid that had a powerlevel that nearly
quadrupled his dad's power when he got mad! But he can't be bothered to go
SSJ 3? School ain't that important. Is Goten and Trunks as powerful as he
is? They hit SSJ at an early age.


Gohan was strong, very strong but not strong enough to go SSJ3.....his mom made him study.....he was powerless under her control, heh


18) Why does Gohan's tail keep growing back? Does it quit when he gets
older? Is it because he is human/Saiyan? Why doesn't Trunks have a tail?
Or Goten? How come?!

goten has no tail because he has no anger......trunks was either too much human (look at his hair!!) or his tail was cut off to keep him from going oozaroo at an early age